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Music Box Composer A forum for all things Music Box Composer related 2017-01-29T19:29:19 http://jellybiscuits.com/phpBB3/feed.php?f=14&t=27 2017-01-29T19:29:19 2017-01-29T19:29:19 http://jellybiscuits.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=27&p=117#p117 <![CDATA[Re: How to glue strips together / Wie klebt man die Streifen zusammen?]]> Statistics: Posted by Dampfboot — Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:29 pm


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2017-01-03T23:37:50 2017-01-03T23:37:50 http://jellybiscuits.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=27&p=111#p111 <![CDATA[Re: How to glue strips together / Wie klebt man die Streifen zusammen?]]>
The idea of building a leporello book out of a music-strip to me is still a very nice one - but I simply have to admit, I didn´t get it to work in reality: the hinges between each section play once, twice, and then they begin to fold in the wrong direction and get stuck within the movement, maybe tend to break, etc... Making a gift of them, as I had in mind - unthinkable!

Besides of that, AlexD is very right with his advice, not to cut and join the parts of a strip at an obtuse angle.
Tried out different kinds of thin (plastic-)tape for the (in my case rectangular) joints, with two different movements. In every scenario the movement´s rollers lost friction and therefor traction, compared to the rest of the strip, when fed with the plastic-tape´s surface at once. A remarkable delay at every joint is the result, when replaying the strip.

Shortly before Christmas I had the luck (must I say ?-) to purchase a 50m-roll of 30-note strip paper from a seller called wingostore through amazon.de marketplace at a price of 29 EUR. (As far, as I can see, today they offer it for only 2599,00 EUR... chinese joke?)
So there doesn´t seem to be a reason for me to bother with musicstrip-joints for the next few weeks ;-)
About the same time I found the "3M Scotch Stick removable": you apply it to a any piece of paper, just to use that like a postit-memo. Fix it, and then remove it again without leaving residues.

Now I cut of a strip of my freshly acquired paper-roll, printed MBC´s output on plain paper, cut that into pieces, suitable to align and fix them (temporarily) on top of the strip, punched the holes through both layers, and then removed them pieces off the strip again.

Being honest, I haven´t played the result yet, but it looks quite encouraging ;-)

Best regards, jeb!

p.s.: will try to make some pictures to illustrate the procedure in a few days

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2016-12-21T02:29:44 2016-12-21T02:29:44 http://jellybiscuits.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=27&p=110#p110 <![CDATA[Re: How to glue strips together / Wie klebt man die Streifen zusammen?]]>
The lightbox works pretty well overall, and if you can adjust the brightness/contrast of the printed strip you can get them to appear even better. This was a quick example I posted on another thread in here with the lightbox and the regular printed pdf without adjusting any b/c settings:

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2016-12-20T23:44:59 2016-12-20T23:44:59 http://jellybiscuits.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=27&p=109#p109 <![CDATA[Re: How to glue strips together / Wie klebt man die Streifen zusammen?]]>

Forgot to mention: just succeeded in making my first working Leporello - it´s not very nice, but at least playable ;-)

Best regards, jeb!

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2016-12-20T23:36:06 2016-12-20T23:36:06 http://jellybiscuits.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=27&p=108#p108 <![CDATA[Re: How to glue strips together / Wie klebt man die Streifen zusammen?]]> Thank you so much for your thorough explanation!
A lightbox I really didn´t have in mind - wouldn´t have expected that to work with such thick paper... But I´m still learning :)
May I ask you two more questions: what kind of tape do you use to join the parts of a strip, and, how do you store longer strips - roll them up?

Best regards, jeb!

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2016-12-19T03:08:12 2016-12-19T03:08:12 http://jellybiscuits.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=27&p=104#p104 <![CDATA[Re: How to glue strips together / Wie klebt man die Streifen zusammen?]]>
This image may be more useful in describing what I mean:

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2016-12-19T01:28:59 2016-12-19T01:28:59 http://jellybiscuits.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=27&p=103#p103 <![CDATA[Re: How to glue strips together / Wie klebt man die Streifen zusammen?]]> I´m not quite sure, whether I understood your way to make (physically) playable strips...
Print out the MBC-PDF, then transfer the punch-marks to blank strips, which you can buy, etc. ?
Would you please be so kind to give us some more detailed information ;-)

Hopefully, jeb!

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2016-12-18T18:58:14 2016-12-18T18:58:14 http://jellybiscuits.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=27&p=102#p102 <![CDATA[Re: How to glue strips together / Wie klebt man die Streifen zusammen?]]> Statistics: Posted by AlexD — Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:58 pm


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2016-12-18T01:47:07 2016-12-18T01:47:07 http://jellybiscuits.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=27&p=99#p99 <![CDATA[Re: How to glue strips together / Wie klebt man die Streifen zusammen?]]> At such an angle it seems to me to be very hard to align two strips really exactly to join them then.
Moreover, you´re running into difficulties, trying to make strips a little bit longer, and still want to roll them: at least for the widely spread Yunsheng movements you need paper of 0.3 mm thickness to work right.
In Mechanical Music Digest (just google) Hans-Martin Meyer-Georges suggested (already several years ago) to build "leporello-books" (i.e. zig-zag folded) instead.
I guess, he was right, but am still experimenting, trying to make a working hinge between the parts of a strip, using scotch-tape (or may it be tesa ;-)

Best regards, jeb!

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2016-12-05T12:51:28 2016-12-05T12:51:28 http://jellybiscuits.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=27&p=96#p96 <![CDATA[Re: How to glue strips together / Wie klebt man die Streifen zusammen?]]> Statistics: Posted by Ostar — Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:51 pm


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2016-01-09T22:39:00 2016-01-09T22:39:00 http://jellybiscuits.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=27&p=65#p65 <![CDATA[Re: How to glue strips together / Wie klebt man die Streifen zusammen?]]>
I found out the hard way by myself that gluing the strips by overlapping is not a good idea. The paper which came with the music box is 0.3 mm thick. I Thought I was lucky to find a 0.5 mm thick paper - with an overlap it is 2x 0.5 = 1mm thick. I tried to play that strip but it stuck in the mechanics - of cause - but you can not turn it backwards after it got stuck. So I tried to drive it through. By this one of the gear wheels broke apart. My advice for such a situation is to stop playing, loosing the two gear block screws. Dismantling everything and remove the stuck in paper strip.

Now I found out that it is the best way to make a butt joint of the punch strips by thin adhesive tape on both sides of the punch card strip.

By the way - I am Rainer and not Herr Dampfboot :D

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2016-01-01T00:38:10 2016-01-01T00:38:10 http://jellybiscuits.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=27&p=61#p61 <![CDATA[Re: How to glue strips together / Wie klebt man die Streifen zusammen?]]> I've just now got a system working for getting a MIDI files from a recording from my MIDI guitar to MusicBox Composer.
I think Herr Dampfboot and I are at the same point, looking for best practices to get our systems working.

I have several 30-note strips from you--and a punch--and the best possible way to do this would be to print directly on the strip.
However, I'm thinking that I don't have much of a chance to get the registration right, using my printer.
So, printing to a thick paper and then cutting and joining strips made from that seems to be the best approach.

Please let us know if you have any suggestions. If I find any myself, I'll upload them.

This is a great product, thanks for producing it!

Robert

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2015-12-21T12:03:16 2015-12-21T12:03:16 http://jellybiscuits.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=27&p=57#p57 <![CDATA[How to glue strips together / Wie klebt man die Streifen zusammen?]]> - Do you use an overlap - how much?
- Do you use paper glue or tape??

Thanks for any suggestion and help!
Rainer

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